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Christ/Buddha: Archetypes vs. Stereotypes

Posted on Aug 30th, 2008 by mikeS : Ha! mikeS
 

Ok, Ok, Okaaay!!! Let's just say, for the sake of discussion, that there was an historical "person" named Jesus who attained the enlightened ‘Christ Mind' and shared that message with the world. It's NOT too hard to believe, (even though the similarities between the symbolic and mythical ‘messiah' figures of other cultures, are profoundly striking and should be considered)

So what did this Jesus look like?

Should we rely exclusively on biblical accounts in relation to the appearance of this enlightened master? Or was he a swarthy Arabic man? Maybe he was a full-blooded African as other historians claim, or simply the tall, thin and frugal looking Caucasian man with long hair (a popular rendition attractive to many westerners). Or what if ‘he' was in fact........a woman?

Ahhhh! Blasphemy you speak!!!

You laugh at such silliness, but wait! Once you insist on a form and a body, the discriminating ego-mind will demand ‘appearances' and you will SEE those features in your mind and they will be real for you.

When you enter your Christian church, are you moved by what you see? What if the crucified Christ had the features of a black man? Or an Asian woman? (we can be just as moved by the ‘virgin mother' however, as long as the roles are clear).

Therefore, we have left the unlimited realm of ‘archetype' and entered the restricted zone of STEREOTYPE ("a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group" -Amer. Herit. Dict). And we are all too familiar with the deleterious effects of stereotyping. It tends to lock down one's perspective, to where you just might miss the deeper meaning found behind the forms. Archetypes are the message and do not require forms or persons, (although we can make that attribution). However, stereotypes demand form, which can distract from the message. And, as history shows, often do!

And what about Buddha? Was he really the laughing fat-man or was he an emaciated long-haired, hippy-type? And what about Muhammad or Moses? Or Adam and Eve? What did they look like? Many claim it does not matter until an oppossing 'appearance' is presented.

If you believe these "persons" existed historically then you may unwittingly attribute to these historical "figures" the ‘values' traditionally inherent to that form or appearance. Stereotyping is a ‘real world' problem. Thus, it seems reasonable that the same problem is found through the numerous interpretations of historical figures prior to image recordings. Of course, for the biblical literalists who rely solely on the ‘text,' there is only one physical Jesus and for the Buddhist one embodied Buddha.

However, I believe there may be hundreds, if not thousands. Call me crazy!!

Alas, this may only be a mere trifling and insignificant issue for which I fail to add anything substantial to the discussion (as many claim is my tendency). However, racism, sexism and all the other judgmental ‘isms' are easily observable on a multitude of levels, from the most severe to the most minimal. This "type" of SEEING is often unconscious to the mind that discriminates differences and all minds do SEE differences. For many, Christian dogma and doctrine is one big distraction. However, for others it has resulted in a more expansive view.

If your Jesus is a tall Caucasian youth and mine is an old squat, pot-bellied, Arabic woman, will you judge me deluded or deranged? Will I be ostracized, derided and spit upon?

Such is the infamy of Christian history...

We can say the names with reverence based on the archetypal message they present for all people, but without needing the criteria of appearances, features, bodies or persons based on ‘historical' analysis. In this way, we may finally come to cease our obsession with the forms that often result in missing the content that the forms symbolically express. I imagine there is little argument that the world is sorely in need of that salvational, redeeming content. If only we could break from historical forms and persons.

There is a strong possibility that there was no man named Jesus, nor one named Buddha. However, there most certainly is Christ Mind/Buddha Mind. And it is blissfully free of form.

Hallowed be thy message, since the names no longer serve me...

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about 15 hours later
Sherrilene said

No offence taken. And it doesn’t seem so important to me now where Jesus came from. I love him as a role model… his characteristics rather than his good looks lol

Same for Buddha, whoever. It’s their character which gets to me. That I can mimic, or attempt to.

While we’re at it, I could say the same for Mother Teresa, Gandhi, MLK and keep going. And you, for being true to you and speaking out…

But that’s just me. :)

Much love friend. Sherri

mikeS : Ha!
about 16 hours later
mikeS said

Sherri,

Thanks for your kind words.

Whew! (wipes sweat from brow)

I was anticipating some heat for this one, since things got a tad bit warm when i presented this idea in the God Pod. I agree with most folks that it shouldn't matter and only the message should persist. Unfortunately, the historical  “figures” we cloak the message IN and demand represent it, may obstruct from the message (for many, but NOT all). I feel this is a valid point, but I'm not certain, so I posted here to see what shows up. Thanks for being the first.

If the message of Christ is an archetype free of form or historical “person,” then we can place it in any form we choose: Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, nature, Gaia, cosmos (or “Kosmos”) etc, etc, and we often do. (of course, this is all based on Jung's “archetypes”)

Yes,  we have those in modern recorded history who embraced that archetypal, primordial message and came very close to personifying it, almost perfectly, in their lives (and you named a few). Fortunately, we have recorded pictures of them. Jesus and Buddha can only be seen in the mind's eye. But everyone can acess that. The question will always be, why do we not?

If Christ Consciousness/Buddha Mind is in all of us waiting to be accessed and lived, then every man, woman and child is the Christ.

In fact, you seem a most likely candidate…

Thanks for your comment my dear friend Sherri,
mike S

about 16 hours later
abundantlife said

I see Christ Conscious/Buddah Heart in all of us able to be accessed at Will as we open to this part of self.  I see many of us playing roles and having behavior patterns to convince us that we are unworthy of Love. Love Is and always in and with Us.  We choose to deny it or not.
I welcome your ideas here Mike. Thank you for opening this up.Take Care,LeAnn

about 17 hours later
Sherrilene said

Mike, thank you for your comments. I have kind of migrated out of the God Pod because I've realised I am not questioning the presence of God at all… so the debates are all around my head! Sometime back I acknowledged my truth and realised I'm pretty much not going anywhere away from it anytime soon, since I experienced it myself in the first place hahha

What you said was very kind, but like LeAnn, we all have access to our spirit and I think we also have the option of choosing what type of person we want to be fundamentally. I definitely made a decision a few years back and it is working out for me pretty ok. But it does require a decision of personal responsibility :) That can sometimes be lacking in some [argumentative] people.

Lots of love. Sherri

mikeS : Ha!
1 day later
mikeS said

LeAnne: I agree that often we engage our world from a place of lack and scarcity. Thus, we behave as though we are so much less than what we could be or ARE. Thus, the world supports this 'rendition' and gives back to us what we press upon it.


Sherri: Yes, so true. I provided an intellectual discussion relation to Jung's “archetypes” which he believed holds the 'ideal' of the best we could become. From this academic viewpoint, we are born with the ideal of Christ/Buddha and thus, “enlightenement.” Funny how we then formulate a world that often only serves to move us farther from that ideal.
But, as you state and I fully agree, that highest Truth is within all of us and is, in fact, a collective Truth available to ALL.
Also, i must admit to my argumentative nature or “shadow” that often rears its ugly head to my detriment. It has caused me much grief. “Righteousness” has been my affliction and I seek to heal myself. Yet, as you point out, the more I can “acknowledge” my Truth and dwell 'there' the less I may be sick with it.

Wonderful discussion. Thanks for your comments!

Peace Angels,
mike S

1 day later
abundantlife said

Yes, Mike, we do sometimes come from a place of “lack” and thankfully we are not always given that in return.  It would be very difficult for a starving child to stop their thoughts of not having food or clean water and remember who they are.  I have been hungry as a child.  I know what neglect feels like and lack.  It was a time for me to feel empowered and Angels did come and this created times I was in lack again because others believed I was strange.  I told them things about themselves as a young child I could not possibly know.  This caused fear in them and I was innocently loving them and sharing in love.  Believing in me and feeling the Love I AM assisted me when no one else was there.  My parents did the best they knew and they were unaware as I have been too.  We do what we do until we know better and do something else or choose not to.  God, for me, is here ready and willing to assist me in any way to see and continue to see when I forget, just how loved I AM and that this Love is inside of all his beautiful creation, animals, plants, humans and Mother Earth.
I am blessed.
LeAnn

mikeS : Ha!
2 days later
mikeS said

LeAnne,

Yes, we were Created from the extension of Infinite Love with the goal of continuing that extension. Therefore, this Love is IN all, but we need to 'extend' it in order to know it.

It seems your path is blessed. May you easily and effortlessly 'stay the course'!

Peace Angel,
mike S

Endless Song : Beyond Words
2 days later
Endless Song said

Buddha, Christ and Ted Nugent all sit as the same Being. There thoughts appear within a mind (where is that)  vibrations created from thoughts, all simple enegy naming itself as separate space (which is impossible) space cant be separated. So the message from these in -dividuals  (in , meaning not devided) is we are One.   And Ted tuning up his guitar is One also expressing as That.

So look deeply at any character and find…the same in all…as the same  :)

mikeS : Ha!
2 days later
mikeS said

Michael,

Well done! 

They are all the same in Being One. Of course, only perception divides since that is the purpose of sensory or bodily  SEEING.

Ted corresponds with Christ/Buddha Oneness if WE wish to perceive 'him' as such, since it's NOT about Ted, nor is it about Christ or Buddha.

Thanks!
mike S

Endless Song : Beyond Words
3 days later
Endless Song said

perhaps everyone knows all of this… but to fill space, words are used and characters formed to connect more fully to each segment of space.. thus we insert names..  just a thought?

mikeS : Ha!
3 days later
mikeS said

Michael,

And to my mind, a very accurate “thought,” indeed!

we tend to obsess on the finger pointing…

Peace Angel,
mike S

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