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Ken Wilber Knows "The Secret"

Posted on Aug 28th, 2008 by mikeS : Ha! mikeS
I find it interesting how the spiritual 'map-maker' Ken Wilber (Integral Theory) and his loyal Integralites, seem to be campaigning for relevance by denouncing other spiritual ‘map-makers.' This campaign is no different from the current U.S. political beliefs-bashing we're witnessing today (even though the integralists attach disclaimers that they are not really being "mean-spirited")

The Integral theory is a smart, esoteric package of beliefs, or an intellectual "map of the territory," that is relevant in many ways to many people. However, I wonder if this denigration of other ‘maps' may result in a backlash against the Integral Theory. Last time I heard it was Deepak Chopra. Poor guy, I'll bet he didn't see it coming, but alas, he was victim to the infamous "pre/trans fallacy" attack. (I wonder if he felt the blow?).

The pre/trans fallacy has relevance, yet it seems easily applicable to any spiritual state of mind that does not fit Wilber's own spiritual "map." In fact, through this reductionistic method it seems likely that all transrational states (beyond normal everyday consciousness) can be interpreted as prerational childish babble. But that argument is old, so I'll spare you.

However, now it seems the Integralistas are going after "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrnes and company. I read "The Secret" (and watched the DVD) several years ago and, although I found many flaws in the presentation and missing links to the theory, I thought that on the whole it was quite an empowering message. Sure, there was a lot of glitz and glam about it (and bit too much object obsession) but if it helps to empower an engagement with Spirit, and if that engagement leads to an experience of greater abundance, then all the power to it.

What we really want is NOT an abundance of things, but an experience of abundance.

I just can't understand why Ken Wilber would feel the need to criticize these formats. Does the immense popularity of these belief systems cause him jealousy or, like ‘government,' does he feel the need to protect us from ourselves?

This dialogue was posted on the God Pod so I thought I would talk about some of the points made.

As with any "you create your own reality" schema, The Secret fails what can be called "the Auschwitz test." According to The Secret, everyone who was murdered at Auschwitz-or Rwanda, or Darfur-created that reality for themselves, and therefore they are to blame for their fate. For obvious reasons, this position is an unconscionable as it is untenable.


This commingling and convergence of the collective and individual mind-consciousness is one aspect "The Secret," and much of the current "law of Attraction" literature, does not extensively address (certainly not to the extent Wilber expounds on his own spiritual theory, which is literally mind-boggling to put it mildly). However, if you read the works of Thomas Troward, an early 20th century intellectual and prolific advocate of this "law of attraction" (LOA), you will understand that the Divine Mind or Universal Consciousness is a composite of both individual and collective thought-substance. Therefore, both modes of "attraction," or reality-creation, are in operation-all the time.

If 10 million minds believe fear and anger justified, then the results of that collective thought patterning will be manifest and we can, and do, see that manifestation worldwide. However, the collective does not cancel out the individual as both are expressions of Spirit or, as Wilber would state, "Kosmos."

What "The Secret" proposes is that on some level (which implies "quantum") we create our reality, individually and collectively. However, the convergence aspect of individual and collective consciousness is NOT ruled out, its just that the focus of "The Secret" is the individual component.

Auschwitz, Darfur, Rwanda and all present day and historical atrocities are an amalgamation of a collective consciousness addicted to fear and the manifestations of fear. This can be curtailed, and even completely alleviated, through the collective-mind when each individual consciousness seeks to experience a life devoid of fear. Fear obstructs the Joy of Being in any consciousness, including the collective.

By teaching that the world quite literally revolves around you, The Secret encourages and entrenches narcissism. In developmental psychology, narcissism doesn't mean an unhealthy obsession with thinking only about yourself, it means you can't think about yourself. The capacity for self-reflexive awareness just isn't there. The entire world and everyone in it is simply an extension of your-self, and you are literally unable to take the perspective of another human being. This is not mystical union; this is pre-rational fusion, and without the ability to take the perspectives of other sentient beings, the entire foundation for ethics evaporates."


Good grief, how KW loves that concept of "narcissism"! My friends, when you hunker down into your lotus to meditate your way to enlightenment, make no mistake the goal of that moment is narcissistic, since YOU desire enlightenment for YOURSELF. However, it seems KW has cherry-picked his own version of narcissism that he ascribes to the field of developmental psychology. For KW narcissism is when you "can't think about yourself" and the entire world becomes an extension of yourself, in other words the narcissism of an infant, undeveloped ego-self. I don't know why he took a clear and concise psychological term like "narcissism" and twisted it into a distorted concept he calls "pre-rational fusion."

Essentially, for Wilber, "The Secret" promotes sociopathic narcissism in which we selfishly ignore others in our quest to manifest material possessions, all others be damned. The very idea that one who adheres to the Law of Attraction, as promoted by "The Secret," fails to take in the perspective of others or even realize others exist except as an extension of self, is a reductio ad absurdum.

Clearly, most of the reputable "law of Attraction" theorists emphasize that "attracting" from Divine Mind, "universal consciousness" or Spirit must be aligned with the collective good of said named "universe." Obviously, if I want my mother-in-law dead this is not aligned with a loving and rational universe or Divine Mind and, in fact, may negate or nullify that universal quality or substance. I may terminate my mother-in-law, but most likely this will only bring up and reinforce the reality of my more dormant "shadow" elements from the depths of consciousness right up into my face and into my everyday experience. I will in fact, "attract" or manifest a reality most disturbing and not advantageous to me in any way. (I would suggest that all you sociopaths out there NOT seek change your lived-experience through the "Law of Attraction.")

Actually, you are creating the universe moment-to-moment, but it's not the "you" that you think. According to the great contemplative traditions, every person has at least two "selves": the finite, temporal, egoic self-sense, and the infinite, transcendental, unqualifiable Self, or I-AMness. Your Self, your I-AMness, is indeed giving rise to the entire radiant Kosmos in this and every moment, but The Secret teaches that your separate self has the power to personally manifest a new car, win the lottery, or cure cancer... and this simply isn't how things work.


Hmmm...but both "selves" are in fact "you" as an expression of that universal wholeness, since nothing is excluded or left out of the Oneness Equation. There is no clear cut partition. Even Wilber contends that "the self is all over the place" (Eye of Spirit) so why shouldn't those who achieve a greater organization of the self-psyche reap the rewards of that escalated or higher correspondence with the universe, "Universal Consciousness" or Spirit.

It seems that Integral Theory does not seek to integrate the two selves (or transcend and include), but counter-productively denigrates and excludes the "self" that desires and wants. The Buddha proclaimed self is suffering, but only from a belief of incompleteness.

Does everyone have to be an 'enlightened master' in order to correspond with Spirit? (even in some small way?). The contemplative traditions overemphasized detachment from egoic self for a reason. This is because the exterior world is a reflection of a seemingly all-encompasing, compulsive addiction to ego-self desires. In other words, if I re-program your passive personality to attain the extreme of aggression, you most likely will settle into an assertive center as your new baseline functioning, but you will not attain the extreme because your current personality baseline is against it. If taken to the extremes your natural predisposition will be to find the center.

Nevertheless, the more you attempt to break free of egoic mind the more strongly it clings to you. Maybe instead of breaking free we must first learn to harness or, more specifically, manage it (and this is a Wilber principle!).

There seems no reason to me why a mind corresponding with Spirit through a deep and abiding sense of gratitude for Being, should NOT generate an experience of abundance. Notice I emphasize the 'experience of abundance' and not necessarily a 'manifestation' of abundance, which would be relative to the individual mind accessing Spirit. Whether or not that abundance is objectified or results in physical manifestation is not the point. Yet, the EXPERIENCE is always the point.

From an experience of completion why should you not "attract" abundance, possibly even in terms of "objects" within consciousness or manifest physical abundance? When one is synchronized with the universe, coincidences do NOT happen and often ‘things' have a way of just showing up because their supposed to.

But you must first seek synchronization and many claim that involves a consistent experience of love and acceptance. Possibly, the greater the synchronization with this "Universal Consciousness" the greater the manifest abundance and this seems congruent with the law of cause and effect in which a greater cause will generate a greater effect.

"The Law of Attraction" is true-as far as it goes. The problem is that The Secret takes this one relatively small piece of the puzzle and makes it the entire puzzle. A positive outlook will change your life and your intentions will co-create your reality, but so will brain chemistry, interior level of development, family relationships, natural disasters, cultural trends, language structure, environmental toxins, and, basically, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.


I agree, "The Secret" only gives a "piece of the puzzle," but I don't feel it advocates this as the whole puzzle. Notice how Wilber equates "the Secret," and the The Law of Attraction it promotes, with simply having "A positive outlook." KW is so deeply entrenched in his "quadrants," he will allow only the most enlightened of minds to converge the left and right quadrants or, more specifically, allow the interior world of individual experience to alter the exterior experience of consciousness as manifest.

Wilber lumps aspects of our empirical, objective facticity with his concept "interior level of development." Like that can be studied! No, but the interiors of awareness can be self-formulated, regulated and built upon to create incredible experiences through the interior unfolding externally. It's your experience. do what you will to enhance it.

"Developmentally, if one uses a scale ranging from archaic to magic to mythic to rational to pluralistic to integral to super-integral, The Secret teaches the magical thought structures that were humanity's leading edge several hundred thousand years ago. As Ken explains, The Secret encourages childlike "primary process thinking," which can be in the form of "the law of attraction" (e.g., if one black thing is bad, then all black things are bad) and "the law of contagion" (e.g., if this particular man was powerful, then a lock of his hair must be powerful too)."


Yes and many claim this childlike "primary process thinking" is less stifled and obstructed by fear (conditioned) than the supposed evolved minds of the developed ego. What may be interpreted as "magical thought structures" of time long past, can now be re-interpreted as miraculous forms of thought-consciousness which can create wonderful experiences for those who can "pray ceaselessly"(correspond with Spirit) and thereby reformulate the experiences of their life.

The importance of understanding how unconscious psychological shadow elements color and affect one's experience, and how The Secret can agitate, alienate, repress, or-perhaps even more worrisome-act on these disowned elements of consciousness.

Yea, and for $250 you can purchase Ken's enlightenment package (which is glamorously presented), which will, after many decades of hard work, identify your "shadows" and free you up to become an enlightened master. Obviously, Shadow elements will obstruct crystal clarity of consciousness and the experiences thereof. Nevertheless, The LOA advocates claim that the exterior experience will require a more mindful awareness and, hence adjustment of these interior shadow elements. Fear and anger will obstruct not only what you might manifest, but how you would experience that manifestation.

The exterior world is a reflection of an interior state, collectively and individually. Therefore, if the exterior is not an experience to your liking, seek to change the interior. Even cognitive psychology tells us this much, "it's not reality that disturbs you, but your interpretation of reality that disturbs you" (Aaron T. Beck, MD, paraphrased).

The genesis of the pre/trans or pre/post fallacy, and how The Secret is a perfect example of elevating pre-rational childish impulses to trans-rational spiritual glory. Simply because both categories of experience are non-rational, they can easily be confused, and often are.

The impulse to attain an experience of joy and abundance in your life is most likely not childish and can even be considered a return to a consciousness less ego-formed (preconscious?), and thus less stifled, through the experiences of an 'external world.' Yet, Ken would chastise you for being prerationally childish and immature in this joyous "state" since you have NOT evolved to a "stage" where it could be correctly interpreted as useful.

The Reality Creation Hypothesis, which includes the LOA, has been around for centuries in every culture and on every continent. From the Gnostic interpretations, to Plotinus and Parmenides. It can be observed within the Buddhist and Advaita Vedanta traditions. In the western 20th century we can find it in everything from Shirley Maclaine, the Seth books, Abraham-Hicks, Conversations with God, A Course in Miracles,Eckhart Tolle, etc, etc. Even theoretical physics, or quantum mechanics, often seems to inadvertently imply a veiled correspondence between thought and physical manifestation (although scientists are loathe to admit as much and if they do they are resigned to the lunatic fringe).

Obviously, we have no objective, empirically studied accounts of any consistent reordering of the quantum level of time and space. Nevertheless, the evidence seems to be mounting in favor of our ability to redirect and possibly even control the objects of consciousness or, more succinctly, our experience of an exterior manifest world. "The Secret" merely opens a door for many to actually consider that potential.

As opposed to Wilber's critique, I don't necessarily believe "The Secret" attempted to give the whole picture (unfortunately, not even Wilber can do that, although he may think he does) but maps out a direction that is understandable to many. Like the teachings of the "ancient masters," it only serves to remind us of Spirit too long ignored and the benefits of an enhanced awareness.

The Law of Attraction has helped many to, at the very least, alter their experience from one of deprivation to one of abundance. It may not get you a Porsche or a mansion on the Riviera but, if by focusing on your experience of Being-in-the-world (Heidegger hyphenated to denote unity) you experience an increase of love peace and joy, isn't this the internal essence of an engaged life that we all seek to experience (and who knows, maybe even a Porsche). Besides, if you shoot for the stars, but merely land on the moon, isn't that in itself an amazing feat?

I don't want to be an enlightened master. Rather, I just want to embrace a greater conscious experience of joy in my life. And I aim to do just that employing every scrap of information that I find useful (including Integral Theory, The law of Attraction and, yes, even "The Secret").

I would suggest that those who have experienced a feeling of empowerment through the ideas as touched on by "The Secret" read the original theorists (Troward, Holmes, Haanel, Behrend, etc, etc) who first postulated these ideas and presented them to the world. There is a secret that "The Secret" failed to unveil. I wonder if Ken Wilber knows, but isn't telling?
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2 days later
strem2 said

“the Integralistas”

Very clever. I don't know Ken Wilber at all. Bill Harris talks about his system at Centerpointe Research on his blog, a bit.  (See http://www.mindbridge-loa.com/law-of-attraction-explained.html ) for connection to Bill Harris.)  I have seen it written about here at Gaia. I think that it's always interesting when someone tries to explain the reality of the mind-body experience in a formulated fixed theory. It sounds as if you have mastered it. Congratulations.

What makes New Thought, and LOA and Awareness Meditation so easy to criticise is that any teacher can only teach from their perspective, which is an ego perspective. Since all of those practices are trying to transcend the ego perspective, the teacher can easily be criticised almost as soon as he opens his/her mouth. 

Once the student finds himself able to meditate deeply, able to experience Big Mind, and aware of his own manifesting of his life, then it is possible to talk about a consciousness outside of his personal ego. At that point, you can appreciate the effort of those participating in The Secret without taking it as the complete bible of LOA. Certainly, it is not. It is an introduction and it served that purpose very well.

Thanks for your post!  And thanks for the reading recommendations. I had never heard of Troward Holmes.


- Nancy

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2 days later
mikeS said

Hi Nancy,

Thanks for your insightful comment. Yes! From an unconditioned awareness (or even consciousness gradually less limited by egoic-attachments) we can see through all the glitz and glam and get at the essence. I found flaws in “The Secret,” but I was secretly motivated by it nonetheless. (Guess it's not a secret anymore)


Well… no mastery yet, but I'm working on it. I suppose we all are.


And thanks for the link. I'll be checking it out next.

Peace Angel,
mike S

6 days later
Crouching Tiger said

Hi Mike,

I've scanned your entry and will come back to it.  I'm appreciative of integral theory and practiced its integral life practice long before I knew there was such a school or structured lay-out :)  But I am not a Wilber fan.  Rather, I enjoy some of the material and discard what seems less about the material and more about some of its teachers' egos.

However, I don't have a comprehensive knowledge of II or Wilber and may be making my comments above, prematurely.  What I do stand by whole-heartedly is that The Secret is not founded in science / physics.  There are many good ideas in The Secret but aren't they pretty obvious, as the links on my profile lead to articles explaining thus.  Thinking positively, having goals, focusing on what is good and true - doesn't seem like a Secret :)

My personal issue with the LOA and The Secret it is DOES hurt people.  I know a woman who spent her life serving others in the community.  Who is a very spiritual person - authentically so.  Who lived a healthy lifestyle.  And still, she contracted fatal liver cancer.  Oh, but wait!  Those in her community - including a minister - told her she manifested the fatal cancer herself and that now that she is housebound, they are not going to visit or bring her food because according to the LOA they will “catch” her alleged negativity.

THAT Is my issue with the LOA and The Secret.  Aside from its erroneous scientific claims, it is how it hurts people and encourages self-righteous indifference that harms.

I'll have to come back later to read more thoroughly :)

Very best,
Erin

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6 days later
Balder said

Mike, you just spent a lot of time criticizing Wilber and Integral.  You have stated reasons why you think Integral Theory is misguided.  Is it legitimate to offer public criticisms of various approaches?  If so, why criticize Wilber or other “Integralites” from criticizing a movement that they find misguided?   Are you exercising a double standard?  

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6 days later
mikeS said

Hey Balder!

Mike, you just spent a lot of time criticizing Wilber and Integral.

“a lot of time”? Actually the bulk of this blog site is the posting my own interior “prerational” dialogue employing archiac/mythic symbolism and they are tagged under “The nondualism of Christ Mind.” However, in relation to thread posts, yes I have criticized Integral theory and Ken Wilber. However, only recently have a posted an opinion on Integral and that was entitied “Is Integral Government an Oligarchy.” Actually, other than that it has been awhile, since, although I am familiar with Integral theory, it is not foremost in my mind.
Balder…are you sure that you are not possibly more attuned to Integral critcism, than I am to criticising integral?

You have stated reasons why you think Integral Theory is misguided.  Is it legitimate to offer public criticisms of various approaches?  If so, why criticize Wilber or other “Integralites” from criticizing a movement that they find misguided?   Are you exercising a double standard? 

Don't we all exercise “double standards”? Such is dualism…

However, I'm not a 'standard-bearer' of Integral Theory, while Ken Wilber most certainly IS. Within this community forum I merely read the thesis and provide an antithesis in the ongoing dialectic we are all engaged in. Perhaps one day through such consistent circularity a synthesis will be experienced. Wilber critiques “The Secret” and I critiqued Wilber's critique and you critique me. I love that nothing or no one is sacred!

Unfortunately, your critique of me seems to be critical of criticism in general. Aren't you “begging the question” here? My main contention in this post:  Why would Wilber seek to criticize mainstream new age prophets like Chopra or “The Secret”? My feeling is that since these formats are mainstream, and generate a great deal of revenue, the integralistas seek to “legitimize” their movement with the mainstream. If this is true as I contend, then the movement will be seen by academia/science as another clown in the new age circus. (since they seems to be how science perceives the “new age”). Of course, Wilber wants to be perceived as a scientist!

I struggle with your comment so I throw it back to you, Under what circumstances would it NOT be “legitimate” to offer a critique? Should Integral be free of criticism? And should the critics be free of criticism and the critics of the critics of the critics? AHHH….maybe this is the road to “enlightenment.”

Thanks Balder,
mike S

Balder : Kosmonaut
6 days later
Balder said

Hi, Mike,

Yes, Wilber and Integral should be criticized – especially because Integral attempts so much.  So, I definitely have no problem with the fact that you are criticizing Integral Theory.  I have criticisms of it too!  It just seemed to me that you were upset with Wilber for criticizing The Secret, as if that was a selfish and self-promoting thing to do.  And yet you were also taking the time to write a long, critical post of Wilber and Integral Theory.  That seemed like a possible double standard, which is why I pointed it out.  My aim was not to ask you not to criticize at all, but to ask you to consider whether it makes sense for you to criticize someone for doing the very same thing you are apparently doing!

As for your actual criticisms of Wilber's assessment of The Secret, my understanding of the content of his arguments differs somewhat from yours.  He is not criticizing selfishness altogether – if you read the new Integral Life Practice book, you'll see he argues that ethical behavior and spiritual practice can both be seen as wisely selfish – but rather, he is challenging some of the basic metaphysical underpinnings and the myopia of the “world-shattering secret” Byrne is promoting.


Best wishes,


Balder

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6 days later
mikeS said

Balder,

OK, I get what you saying and I agree that portions of the post can be construed as representing a double standard. The standard being that Wilber should not criticize other “maps” which is the exact same thing I did in criticizing Wilber's “map.”

My Bad, Balder!


That accepted, I did make points specifically related to his critiques which I feel are still valid, separate from my criticizing him for being a naughty criticizer. (again, I still think our motives are different, which lends some credence to my criticism over his)LOL!


As I have not read the “Integral Life Practice Book” so I will withold comment on the concept you refer to as “wisely selfish” since it seems a bit fuzzy in just contemplating what that might be. 

Thanks for assisting me in recognizing my fallacious argument. (by the way, are you a college professor or teacher of some sort. just wondering)

mike S

Balder : Kosmonaut
7 days later
Balder said

Mike, thank you for graciously accepting my criticism! 

And yes, I do teach a few classes…   Does it show??  :-0

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7 days later
mikeS said

Balder,

Yes! : )

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8 days later
mikeS said

Erin,

Sorry it took so long to respond to your comment.

First, in this essay I do agree that “The Secret” is abbreviated hype in terms of representing LOA. In fact, Byrnes's idea for “The Secret” came from reading Napolean Hill's “Think and Grow Rich” which is entirely related to material abundance as physical manifestation. This is distracting in itself.

However, there are many other theorists that focus not on physical manipulations but experiential realities and this relates to many Hindu and Advaitist teachings that the 'world' is not of physical substance, but the 'stuff' of consciousness and it is this 'stuff' that we experience (in a previous post I focused on Thomas Troward who I found effective in explaining a theory on the experiential nature of reality and how we participate in formulating those experiences).

Yes, the Christian Science belief that sickness is purely mind related, and must be healed in that manner, is a dangerous belief to those not having advanced to that “stage” of interpretation. It is true that beliefs can be dangerous and can kill. However, I can think of various belief systems the world presently subscribes to that does collectively more damage to the whole than a few unenlightened souls thinking they are more advanced than they really are.

What I do stand by whole-heartedly is that The Secret is not founded in science /physics. 

Yes, this may is true. However, more reputable theorists of LOA do hold that theoretical physics does demonstrate many “attraction” principles. Of course, those are theories within theories (and the theorists are disenfranchised by science as lunatics) and we could spend years in disputation since the senses cannot validate theoretical physics nor LOA. Science is the modern 'church' and many worship that dogma rejecting all else. However, complete reliance of the objective data of sensory impressions may not be such a good idea.

There are many good ideas in The Secret but aren't they pretty obvious, as the links on my profile lead to articles explaining thus.  Thinking positively, having goals, focusing on what is good and true - doesn't seem like a Secret :)

Yes, I agree with the obvious nature of what “The Secret” advocates. However, it does point to physical manifesting based on thought-patterns or thematic material the mind presents to itself repetitively. Again, one would need to read the theorists who proposed principles of attraction long before Napolean Hill (and some smarter ones even today) and those theorists were not so much interested in physical manifestation as in manifested 'experience.' They seem to say that there is no “physical” however, there is the experience of “physical.”

“Find to whom this cruel world appears and you will know why it appears so cruel. Your questions are perfectly legitimate, but just cannot be answered unless you know whose is the world. To find out the meaning of a thing you must ask its maker. I am telling you: You are the maker of the world in which you live – you alone can change it, or unmake it.”

“On the contrary, a world of which you are the only source and ground is fully within your power to change. What is created can be always dissolved and re-created. All will happen as you want it, provided you really want it. You have created them (sorrows) out of your own desires and fears, you deal with them. All is due to your having forgotten your own being. Having given reality to the picture on the screen, you love its people and suffer for them and seek to save them. It is just not so. You must begin with yourself. There is no other way.”

These quotes are from the advaitist Nisargadatta, and “I AM THAT: Dialogues of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj ,” and deal with non-dualism. Obviously I am not posting these spiritual quotes as representative of LOA, but only to exhibit similarities in the thought. LOA is a western idea that needs to be expanded and enhanced. Nevertheless, I feel that there is validity to the Reality Creation Hypothesis as it is repeated thematically in many cultures through the centuries. “The Secret” has in many ways bastardized this hypothesis, however, it 'points' to something deeper that I think is valid and worth exploring.

Great Discussion, Erin, thanks!

8 days later
strem2 said

Hi Erin, and Mike S.,

You opened up a wonderful discussion and we can talk about LOA or any of the organized religions in the same context. 

As you say, Erin, “THAT Is my issue with the LOA and The Secret.  Aside from its erroneous scientific claims, it is how it hurts people and encourages self-righteous indifference that harms.

Point One: Haven't some people hidden behind dogma to excuse inhuman, or inhumane treatment of others? This was true in the extreme when the Spanish Catholics tortured all “non-believers” or “heretics” or Jews. It does not mean that all Catholics are bad. This was true when Christians in New England executed supposed witches. I don't know if we could make the case that christianity is bad. This was true of the crusades. This is true today when Wahabi Moslem believers use their beliefs to terrorize others. Maybe we could make the case that Wahbi theology is bad, although I wouldn't say that about Islam in general….

I would propose that the minister and others who abandonned the woman with liver cancer were using LOA to excuse their own cowardise or laziness, and anti-social behavior. I would not, personally, count them as true believers or proponents of LOA anymore than I would cite Hitler as an example of a christian.

Point Two: Locus of Control
When LOA or Ho'oponopono says that you are 100% responsible for the experience of your life, this is not advocating existing as a hermit. It also does not suggest that you are responsible only for your life but Ho'oponopono says that you are responsible for the life of any you come in contact with. The movie, The Secret, showed many engaged in socially responsible action in the section titled “The World.”  It also showed at least one man helping a friend in South Africa. It never said that you should run away from the difficulty or sadness or pain of others….

LOA and Ho'oponopono (http://www.mindbridge-loa.com/joe-vitale.html) change locus of control from outside yourself to inside yourself. I find this empowering. It also increases my personal sense of responsibility. I do not use it to make other people feel guilty or enfeebled if their life has gone through some difficulty. I take responsibility for their difficulties within myself and do Ho'oponopono for them. Yet, I also do not tell them I am doing Ho'oponopono for them because this could be as patronizing as the minister was detached or snobby. 

When we are choosing our beliefs, what is the alternative? If we are not to blame, and the woman did not cause her own cancer, then we have to ascribe cause to something else.  That something else could be biology, nature, or God. I don't see any way to fight or to win over any of those three. It would make me, and I am only talking about myself, but it would make me feel more helpless. I don't believe that would help me to defeat the cancer and find my way to health again. But, this is just me. I choose to hold on to the locus of control whenever reasonable or unreasonable.    :)

In Conversations with God, by Neil Donald Walsch,  God said that we choose our experience of life to help us to discover who we really are…. ie, that we are spiritual beings, and that we are children (or offshoots) of God who allow God to have a physical experience. Because of this, God never interferes. Because God needs nothing, God does not make laws or rules to control our behavior. Because God loves us and is eternal and omnipresent love, God does not intervene in our lives unless we ask. He also said that our bodies were designed to last forever.

This agreement with Walsch helps me to keep the locus of control.

Thanks guys, for some great jumping off ideas!

- Nancy

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